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WELSH TYPE
Excerpts from Britain
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On
JUDGING
1973 Welsh Pony and Cob Journal, Wales
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It
is not the duty of a judge to place first the pony, which he himself prefers. He is acting
for the Society on whose panel he has agreed to serve and that Society has laid down a
certain specification. If the pony he personally prefers does not conform more or less to
that specification he must put it down. This may mean that a judge may have to put down
the pony which, if given the choice, he would like to take home and moreover, the pony
which, if sold at public auction, he considers might fetch more than his first in line. If
there are any judges not prepared to put up those ponies, which most closely resemble the
Society’s official description, they should resign from the panel. If every judge is
allowed to please himself regardless of the Society’s official policy, there seems no
object in going to the considerable trouble of compiling a judge’s panel. Let anyone
come and sort them out. |
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On
WELSH MOUNTAIN PONIES (section A)
1959 RIDING, England
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“If we have knowledge we shall look for the great bold eye, the tiny
head, short back, strong quarter, high set on of tail, hocks that do not turn in, the
laid-back shoulder, the straight foreleg and the short, so very short cannon bone…..
A very great breeder of these lovely ponies said many years ago – and what good
advice it is for all of us; “The bigger the eye the better, the deeper though the
heart the stronger, the prouder the lift of the head the more courageous, the swifter the
action the more fearless.” So perhaps we can use these points when we are trying to
determine how to produce perfect type…..
I wonder if the present position of ponies in the show-ring today is responsible to a
certain extent for the wrong type of animal being used for breeding. By this I mean that
many judges of Welsh Mountain Ponies sometimes award major prizes to animals who do not
conform to the true type of these beautiful ponies….. I feel that, if the judging at
shows was somewhat tightened up, the show-ring would be a place where the inexperienced
could learn what the true Welsh Pony should be. Failure to conform to this type should
preclude ponies from winning in the show-ring.” |
M. De
Beaumont |
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On
WELSH MOUNTAIN PONIES (section A)
1984 Welsh Roundabout
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“Bone,
I think, is very important, again because it is such a characteristic of the breed…..
Quality is sometimes mistaken for lightness of bone only….. I am often asked whether
the ‘knees up’ variety or the ‘daisy cutting’ sort are correct for the
Welsh Mountain Pony. My answer is neither. The action should be free and active. In front,
the leg should come up and then out from the shoulder. Behind, the hocks should really
work, balancing the pony and propelling it forward.” |
Alison
Mountain |
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On
WELSH PONIES section B
1975 Welsh Pony and Cob Society Journal, Wales
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“To
return to the B’s, they were bred to enable the shepherd to work the hill with his
dogs. Can anyone, quite frankly, see most of the B’s bred today working the
hill?…… What else can the judge put up when they are all little Thoroughbreds?
How many of today’s so-called B’s are anywhere near the breed standard?…..
Once we have lost the breed we can never get it back.” |
John
Winstone |
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On
WELSH PONIES section B
1963 Welsh Pony and Cob Society Journal, Wales
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“This
cannot be repeated too often, the Section B pony must have adequate substance and good
limbs. There should be no place in any section for little weedy animals, with spindly
legs, small knees and hocks, weak round joints, and bad feet.” |
E. Griffith |
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On
WELSH PONIES section B
1973 Riding, England
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“If
one is going to judge a BREED class, the standard for that breed must be adhered
to….. The description for this section says that they should be as the Section
A’s with a difference of height, of course, and with an emphasis on the riding
qualities. It may have been a slight warning (or a glimpse into the future) that is
also specified pony character, adequate bone and substance, hardiness and
constitution……. It is quite easy to get them finer and more glamorous, but very
hard to put true type and substance back into them once it has been lost.” |
Alison
Mountain |
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On
WELSH PONIES section B
1973 Welsh Pony and Cob Society Journal, Wales
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“I
am however sure that it is a duty of all judges, who have accepted an invitation to serve
on the Society’s panel of judges, to put up the true type and put down the refined
type. Of course there may be occasions when ponies of the true type have such defects of
confirmation that the refined type must be preferred…… If all breed judges make
a habit of putting up the refined type and breeders react by producing that type, not many
years will pass before the Connemara, the New Forest and the Welsh Pony will become
practically indistinguishable.” |
| Mr. Mountain – Twyford Stud |
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TWO B'S OR NOT
TWO B'S?
Excerpts from
WPCS Journal 1975, Wales
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Why
all this trouble about the Section B? Why doesn't the Society just throw out anything that
does not conform to the Society's Breed Standard? It is as simple as that. |
We have Breed Standards laid down for A, B, C, and D, and, as well we
know, many of the ponies today, not only the B's, are no more Welsh than a Chinaman's hat
box. |
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Let's
face up to it. Unless the Society is prepared to take a firm hand we are heading for
disaster within the very near future. |
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Just
a few short years ago we saw what happened to the badly bred A's, we have yet to see it
come with the badly bred B's and D's, but come it will, unless something is done NOW. You
can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all the
time, and the day of reckoning will come, but by then it could be too late. |
The
Welsh breeds in their true form are unbeatable and, thank God, we have good breeders who
are breeding true to type come what may. We do, however, have the others who are prepared
to breed for fashion and, as well we know, the same people wish to hide behind the word
"Welsh" because over the years it has proved its worth. We also have some
members who are breeding rubbish in all sections. Any member who is not prepared to breed
to the Breed Standard should be asked to mend their ways or to leave the Society. This
applies, even more so, to the judges who put up anything other than ponies conforming to
the Breed Standard. |
To
return to the B's, they were bred to enable the shepherd to work the hill with his dogs.
Can anyone, quite frankly, see most of the B's today working the hill? Most of them today
could not take my maiden aunt down the high street without going lame, and certainly not
without its rug on. |
Some
of the older shepherds must wonder what day it is when they see the B's in the riding
classes. The moment they are called in after having walked around, out runs mum with the
rug to keep the pony from getting a chill. Mum would have been very busy running after the
shepherd. |
Our
Society has come a long way since it began and it has only done so because the Welsh
breeds are so wonderful and because of the wise leadership which has been given to
members. We will only continue to grow if the Society makes sure that all breeders stick
to the true types and those who do not, will they can please themselves, but they must not
be allowed to masquerade under the name of "Welsh". |
To
own a Welsh B that is true to type is such a pleasure, they are such wonderful ponies,
lacking nothing that anyone could want. To even compare them with the so-called
"refined" type is impossible, they are just like chalk and cheese. As Dai said
to Mog one day, "What else can the judge put up when they are all little
Thoroughbreds?" How many of today's so-called B's are anywhere near the Breed
Standard? |
The
sooner the Society takes a hand in selecting the stallions, in all sections, the better.
There are stallions being used today that should never be and such will be the case until
the Society takes a firm hand in the matter. Let us breed from the very best and in doing
so put the breed on yet a plane higher than they are now. Let the talking and writing now
stop. Let the necessary action begin. ONCE WE HAVE LOST THE BREED WE CAN NEVER GET IT
BACK. |
John
Winstone |
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THE WELSH
PONY & COB SOCIETY OF AMERICA |
PURPOSE OF THE
WELSH PONY & COB SOCIETY OF AMERICA
The purpose of this Society is to maintain a Registry for the
recording of pedigrees and transfers of Welsh ponies and cobs,
to promote the breeding and use of the breed while striving to maintain its purity
and trueness to type and to further its welfare
in every way. |
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DESCRIPTION
OF THE WELSH MOUNTAIN PONY
Not exceeding 12:2 hands
high. Section A of the Stud Book. |
| Color: |
Any color except piebald and skewbald. |
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DESCRIPTION OF THE WELSH
PONY |
Not exceeding 14:2 hands high.
Section B of the Stud Book |
| The general description of ponies in Section
"A" of the Stud Book is applicable to those in Section "B",
but more particularly the Section "B" pony shall be described as a riding pony,
with quality, riding action, adequate bone and substance, hardiness and constitution and
with pony character. |
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| DESCRIPTION OF
THE WELSH PONY OF COB TYPE AND THE WELSH COB |
Section C not exceeding 13:2 hands
high. |
Section D exceeding 13:2 hands high
with no upper limit. |
Color: |
Any color except piebald and skewbald. |
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PUREBRED REGISTRATION ELIGIBILITY |
5. Piebalds
and Skewbalds are not eligible. Applications for Registration must contain a COMPLETE
description of all white markings. Failure to include such markings on application is
grounds for action under the Penalties Section of these rules and regulations.
6. Any Welsh pony or cob with large white areas having clearly defined edges on the body,
except for belly spots, will be reviewed by the Board of Directors to determine if
parentage verification via DNA typing is required. Questions regarding this rule will be
decided by the Board.
7. Applications for registration are subject to being selected for random DNA typing and
parentage verification. The Society will cover the expense of typing the foal and any sire
or dam who has not previously been typed. If parentage fails to be established, the foal
will not be accepted for registration until parentage is established at the owner's
expense. |
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DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS....
Color requirements have NOTHING to
do with either purity or parentage.
The COLOR DESCRIPTION in each Section CLEARLY
states "Any color except piebald and skewbald".
Rule No. 5 CLEARLY states that
Piebalds and Skewbalds are NOT ELIGIBLE for Purebred Registration. PERIOD
Piebalds and Skewbalds are animals
with PINTO markings regardless of being outdated words as some claim.
Rule No. 6 states that ANY Welsh Pony
or Cob with large white areas with clearly defined edges on the body, in other words
PINTO markings, except for belly spots, will be reviewed by the Board of Directors.
Purebred Registration Eligibility Rule
No. 6 is in direct conflict with The COLOR DESCRIPTION of all Sections and
Purebred Registration Eligibility Rule No. 5. |
