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WELSH TYPE
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On JUDGING
1973 Welsh Pony and Cob Journal, Wales
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It is not the duty of a judge to place first the pony, which he himself prefers. He is acting for the
Society on whose panel he has agreed to serve and that Society has laid down a certain specification. If the pony he personally prefers does not
conform more or less to that specification he must put it down. This may mean that a judge may have to put down the pony which, if given the choice,
he would like to take home and moreover, the pony which, if sold at public auction, he considers might fetch more than his first in line. If there
are any judges not prepared to put up those ponies, which most closely resemble the Society’s official description, they should resign from the
panel. If every judge is allowed to please himself regardless of the Society’s official policy, there seems no object in going to the considerable
trouble of compiling a judge’s panel. Let anyone come and sort them out. |
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On WELSH MOUNTAIN PONIES (section A)
1959 RIDING, England
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“If we have knowledge we shall look for the great bold eye, the tiny head, short back, strong quarter,
high set on of tail, hocks that do not turn in, the laid-back shoulder, the straight foreleg and the short, so very short cannon bone….. A very
great breeder of these lovely ponies said many years ago – and what good advice it is for all of us; “The bigger the eye the better, the deeper
though the heart the stronger, the prouder the lift of the head the more courageous, the swifter the action the more fearless.” So perhaps we can
use these points when we are trying to determine how to produce perfect type…..
I wonder if the present position of ponies in the show-ring today is responsible to a certain extent for the wrong type of animal being used for
breeding. By this I mean that many judges of Welsh Mountain Ponies sometimes award major prizes to animals who do not conform to the true type of
these beautiful ponies….. I feel that, if the judging at shows was somewhat tightened up, the show-ring would be a place where the inexperienced
could learn what the true Welsh Pony should be. Failure to conform to this type should preclude ponies from winning in the show-ring.” |
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On WELSH MOUNTAIN PONIES (section A)
1984 Welsh Roundabout
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“Bone, I think, is very important, again because it is such a characteristic of the breed….. Quality
is sometimes mistaken for lightness of bone only….. I am often asked whether the ‘knees up’ variety or the ‘daisy cutting’ sort are correct for the
Welsh Mountain Pony. My answer is neither. The action should be free and active. In front, the leg should come up and then out from the shoulder.
Behind, the hocks should really work, balancing the pony and propelling it forward.” |
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Alison Mountain |
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On WELSH PONIES section B
1975 Welsh Pony and Cob Society Journal, Wales
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“To return to the B’s, they were bred to enable the shepherd to work the hill with his dogs. Can
anyone, quite frankly, see most of the B’s bred today working the hill?…… What else can the judge put up when they are all little Thoroughbreds? How
many of today’s so-called B’s are anywhere near the breed standard?….. Once we have lost the breed we can never get it back.” |
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John Winstone |
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On WELSH PONIES section B
1963 Welsh Pony and Cob Society Journal, Wales
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“This cannot be repeated too often, the Section B pony must have adequate substance and good limbs.
There should be no place in any section for little weedy animals, with spindly legs, small knees and hocks, weak round joints, and bad feet.” |
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On WELSH PONIES section B
1973 Riding, England
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“If one is going to judge a BREED class, the standard for that breed must be adhered to….. The
description for this section says that they should be as the Section A’s with a difference of height, of course, and with an emphasis on the riding
qualities. It may have been a slight warning (or a glimpse into the future) that is also specified pony character, adequate bone and
substance, hardiness and constitution……. It is quite easy to get them finer and more glamorous, but very hard to put true type and substance back
into them once it has been lost.” |
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On WELSH PONIES section B
1973 Welsh Pony and Cob Society Journal, Wales
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“I am however sure that it is a duty of all judges, who have accepted an invitation to serve on the
Society’s panel of judges, to put up the true type and put down the refined type. Of course there may be occasions when ponies of the true type have
such defects of confirmation that the refined type must be preferred…… If all breed judges make a habit of putting up the refined type and breeders
react by producing that type, not many years will pass before the Connemara, the New Forest and the Welsh Pony will become practically
indistinguishable.” |
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Mr. Mountain – Twyford Stud |
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TWO B'S OR NOT TWO
B'S?
Excerpts from
WPCS Journal 1975, Wales
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Why all this trouble about the Section B? Why doesn't the Society just throw out anything that does
not conform to the Society's Breed Standard? It is as simple as that. |
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We have Breed Standards laid down for A,
B, C, and D, and, as well we know, many of the ponies today, not only the B's, are no more Welsh than a Chinaman's hat box. |
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Let's face up to it. Unless the Society is prepared to
take a firm hand we are heading for disaster within the very near future. |
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Just a few short years ago we saw what happened to the
badly bred A's, we have yet to see it come with the badly bred B's and D's, but come it will, unless something is done NOW. You can fool some of the
people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time, and the day of reckoning will come, but by then it could be too late. |
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The Welsh breeds in their true form are unbeatable
and, thank God, we have good breeders who are breeding true to type come what may. We do, however, have the others who are prepared to breed for
fashion and, as well we know, the same people wish to hide behind the word "Welsh" because over the years it has proved its worth. We also have some
members who are breeding rubbish in all sections. Any member who is not prepared to breed to the Breed Standard should be asked to mend their ways
or to leave the Society. This applies, even more so, to the judges who put up anything other than ponies conforming to the Breed Standard. |
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To return to the B's, they were bred to enable the
shepherd to work the hill with his dogs. Can anyone, quite frankly, see most of the B's today working the hill? Most of them today could not take my
maiden aunt down the high street without going lame, and certainly not without its rug on. |
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Some of the older shepherds must wonder what day it is
when they see the B's in the riding classes. The moment they are called in after having walked around, out runs mum with the rug to keep the pony
from getting a chill. Mum would have been very busy running after the shepherd. |
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Our Society has come a long way since it began and it
has only done so because the Welsh breeds are so wonderful and because of the wise leadership which has been given to members. We will only continue
to grow if the Society makes sure that all breeders stick to the true types and those who do not, will they can please themselves, but they must not
be allowed to masquerade under the name of "Welsh". |
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To own a Welsh B that is true to type is such a
pleasure, they are such wonderful ponies, lacking nothing that anyone could want. To even compare them with the so-called "refined" type is
impossible, they are just like chalk and cheese. As Dai said to Mog one day, "What else can the judge put up when they are all little
Thoroughbreds?" How many of today's so-called B's are anywhere near the Breed Standard? |
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The sooner the Society takes a hand in selecting the
stallions, in all sections, the better. There are stallions being used today that should never be and such will be the case until the Society takes
a firm hand in the matter. Let us breed from the very best and in doing so put the breed on yet a plane higher than they are now. Let the talking
and writing now stop. Let the necessary action begin. ONCE WE HAVE LOST THE BREED WE CAN NEVER GET IT BACK. |
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THE WELSH PONY & COB SOCIETY OF AMERICA |
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PURPOSE OF THE WELSH PONY & COB SOCIETY OF AMERICA
The purpose of this Society is to maintain a Registry for the recording of pedigrees and transfers of Welsh ponies and cobs,
to promote the breeding and use of the breed while striving to maintain its purity and trueness to type and to further its welfare
in every way. |
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DESCRIPTION OF THE WELSH MOUNTAIN PONY
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Not exceeding 12:2 hands high. Section A of the Stud Book. |
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Any color except piebald and skewbald. |
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DESCRIPTION OF THE WELSH PONY |
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Not exceeding 14:2 hands high. Section B of the Stud Book |
| The general description of ponies in Section "A" of the Stud Book is applicable to those in Section "B",
but more particularly the Section "B" pony shall be described as a riding pony, with quality, riding action, adequate bone and substance, hardiness
and constitution and with pony character. |
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| DESCRIPTION OF THE WELSH PONY OF COB TYPE AND THE WELSH COB
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Section C not exceeding 13:2 hands high. |
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Section D exceeding 13:2 hands high with no upper limit. |
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Any color except piebald and skewbald. |
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PUREBRED REGISTRATION ELIGIBILITY |
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5. Piebalds and Skewbalds are not eligible. Applications for Registration must contain a COMPLETE description of all white
markings. Failure to include such markings on application is grounds for action under the Penalties Section of these rules and regulations.
6. Any Welsh pony or cob with large white areas having clearly defined edges on the body, except for belly spots, will be reviewed by the Board of
Directors to determine if parentage verification via DNA typing is required. Questions regarding this rule will be decided by the Board.
7. Applications for registration are subject to being selected for random DNA typing and parentage verification. The Society will cover the expense of
typing the foal and any sire or dam who has not previously been typed. If parentage fails to be established, the foal will not be accepted for
registration until parentage is established at the owner's expense. |
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Color requirements have NOTHING to do with either purity or parentage.
The COLOR DESCRIPTION in each Section CLEARLY states "Any color except piebald and skewbald".
Rule No. 5 CLEARLY states that Piebalds and Skewbalds are NOT ELIGIBLE for Purebred Registration.
Piebalds and Skewbalds are animals with PINTO markings regardless of being outdated
words as some claim.
Rule No. 6 states that ANY Welsh Pony or Cob with large white areas with clearly defined edges on the
body, in other words PINTO markings, except for belly spots, will be reviewed by the Board of Directors, are our BOD blind?
Purebred Registration Eligibility Rule No. 6 is in direct conflict with The COLOR DESCRIPTION of all
Sections and
Purebred Registration Eligibility Rule No. 5.
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